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Bet-TAY, Special Features Edtior (aka Frau Blucher)
SHOOTOUT: GeForce 8800 GT
versus three other GPUS
for the ’2008’ Mac ProOriginally posted February 14th, 2008, by rob-ART morgan, mad scientist
Updated March 3rd, 2008, with Quadro FX 5600 results
We now have our GeForce 8800 GT kit in the lab along with a Quadro FX 5600 loaned to use by AppleMacanix. So here’s the 3D Game ’Shoot ’em up’ for all the cards compatible with the ’early 2008’ Mac Pro 3.2GHz 8-core monster.
BLIZZARD WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Working with a WoW programmer, we devised a test that stresses the GPU and produces repeatable results. We placed our warrior in the Firetree realm. He started at the totem pole at the entrance to Village Narache, ran East to the two large trees on a nearby hill, turned around, and returned to the totem pole. By using an addon called ’Titan Performance,’ we were able to capture average frame rate for the running sequence. (Test was run in Full Screen mode and best settings.)
MACSOFT UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 FLYBY
We used the SantaDuck Toolkit to benchmark with UT2004. Though a Botmatch simulates actual game play, it is very CPU intensive. However, the Flyby benchmark is primarily GPU -- especiallly at max settings and high resolution. We used the Inferno map.
ASPYR PREY
It ’represents’ for the games based on the Doom 3 engine. We use a demo file in our benchmarking that we downloaded from Overclockers in Australia. High Quality was selected (including 8X anisotropy).
MACSOFT HALO
We ran the newest UB version. We set everything to the highest quality except lens flare. FSAA was set to OFF.
ASPYR QUAKE 4
We had trouble getting version 1.42 to run its nettimedemo so we tested version 1.3 instead using ’id_demo001.’ We had the MP mode turned on along with Dynamic Shadows.
ASPYR DOOM 3
Holding the Command key down at launch allows you to set the resolution to various sizes not available inside Doom 3’s interactive settings. We had Dynamic Shadows enabled.
LEGEND of GRAPHS
FX 5600 = nVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 (1536MB of GDDR2 - Apple CTO)
G8800 GT = nVIDIA GeForce GT (512MB of GDDR3 - Apple CTO)
R1900 XT = ATI Radeon X1900 XT (512MB of GDDR3 - Apple CTO 2006 Mac Pro)
R2600 XT = ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256MB of GDDR3 - Standard card for ’early 2008’ Mac Pro
In the case of each 3D accelerated game, we ran at High or Highest Quality settings at 1920x1200. All Macs were running Leopard 10.5.1 with the Leopard Graphics Update 1.0 installed.
CONCLUSION
As a 3D accelerated GPU, the GeForce 8800 GT looks like a great addition to the ’early 2008’ Mac Pro. It’s significantly faster than the two Radeon options and at $200 CTO, it’s a no-brainer.
The advantage should also apply to pro 3D apps that use 3D OpenGL code for animation.
However, it’s a different story with ’pro apps’ that use Core Image effects. For that info, we refer you to our expanded page with Motion 3 and iMaginator test results.
PROBLEMS WITH DVI-2 PORT
Two of my ’remote mad scientists’ reported either slowness or errors when they used the DVI-2 port on the GeForce 8800 GT. Hopefully this and the Core Image performance will be addressed with a future driver or firmware update.
LEGACY 8800?
As you probably know by now, a collective groan was uttered by many of the 2006/2007 Mac Pro owners when they learned that the GeForce 8800 GT kit for the 2008 Mac Pro was NOT compatible with the older Mac Pros. As of April 15th, 2008, Apple started shipping the ’legacy’ version of the GeForce 8800 GT in a kit form for 2006/2007 Mac Pro owners. When you visit the Apple Store USA, click on ’Displays’ in the left column and look for the Geforce 8800 GT labeled ’1st Generation.’ Let me remind you that our testing has shown this to be a strong 3D OpenGL gaming card but a weak Pro App card (Motion, Aperture, FCP). We believe a Mac OS X compatible Radeon HD 3870 would perform better for Pro Apps. We are urging ATI/AMD to release such a card and will alert you if and when that happens.
MAKING THE RADEON X1900 XT WORK
Some reports have come in that the Radeon X1900 XT does not work on their ’2008’ Mac Pro. We have had no problems running it in our 2008 Mac Pro 3.2GHz. We asked ATI about this issue. They suggest performing the firmware update on the Radeon X1900 XT while it is installed in a 2006 or 2007 Mac Pro. Then moving it to the 2008 Mac Pro.
NOTE: We can NOT get the Radeon X1900 XT to boot Vista 64 from our Boot Camp partition. We are forced to use the Radeon HD 2600 XT (or GeForce 8800 GT) for that purpose.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER
We are not ignoring the Quadro FX 5600 (which is not available in kit form -- and we could not afford if it was). It is a pricey ($2850) CTO option that is not significantly faster than the GeForce 8800 GT for 90% of graphics intensive applications.
However, the Quadro FX 5600 does feature more video memory than the GeForce 8800 GT (1.5GB vs 512MB). And, according to one Maya guru, the extra memory (and superior memory management code) of the Quadro workstation cards becomes useful for frame buffering in apps like Maya. This is especially true for redraw of multiple views of the same complex 3D model.
This has been enhanced further by Quadro FX 5600’s new integrated memory allocation which allows the card to dynamically allocate on-board RAM to whatever task is at hand rather than have specific hard wired allocations. So rather than say a maximum of 40% of total on-board RAM dedicated to the texture buffer the card can ramp up and down from 80% sharing with the immediate needs of the other buffers.
As of February 29th, we have a Quadro FX 5600 in the lab, thanks to our friends at AppleMacanix. Just for fun, we will test it using our 3D Game suite and add it to the graphs above on March 3rd.
SPECIAL THANKS TO REMOTE MAD SCIENTISTS who provided us with early GeForce 8800 GT results. The numbers above now reflect our own testing.
Thanks toEric W. for his UT2004, Halo, Quake 4, and Doom 3 results.
Thanks to David McNett for his Prey and Motion results.
Thanks to Chris Rhoads of SarahRhoadsPhoto.com for his World of Warcraft results.
RELATED LINKS
Bare Feats’ reveals a weakness in the GeForce 8800 GT with the results from 15 Motion 3 template RAM Previews.
Bare Feats’ CPU crunch tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others.
Bare Feats’ advice on which Mac Pro graphics card to buy.
Bare Feats’ memory speed and heat tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro.
Bare Feats’ power usage and noise level testing on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro vs the 3.0GHz Clovertown Mac Pro.
WHERE TO BUY A MAC PRO
When ordering products from Apple Store USA, please click THIS TEXT LINK or any Apple display ad as your ’portal’ to the online store. In so doing, you help to support Bare Feats.
(DON’T LIVE in the USA? See links for Apple online stores in other countries.)
Also check with Small Dog Electronics and Power Max. (Power Max takes trade-ins.)
WHERE TO BUY GRAPHICS CARD UPGRADE KITS
You can order the GeForce 8800 GT kit from the Apple Store USA -- search on ’MB137Z/A’ to find it. The price is $349. If you are very unhappy about it not working on your 2006/2007 Mac Pro, then sign our petition asking Apple to create a version that will. We also suggest you give feedback to the Mac Pro management at Apple.
The Radeon HD 2600 XT kit will work on the older Mac Pros as well as the new one (thanks to having both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the ROM). Search on ’MB198Z/A’ when you visit Apple Store USA ($149).
The Radeon X1900 XT kit is still available for the 2006/2007 Mac Pro. It goes for $399 (eek!). Search on ’MA631Z/B’ at the Apple Store USA. Don’t confuse it with the RAdeon X1900 GT ’G5 Edition’ (model TL142LL/A) being sold for $349 -- unless you have a G5 tower with PCIe slots.
WHERE TO BUY MEMORY FOR YOUR MAC PRO
Apple charges and arm and a leg for CTO memory options. We suggested ordering your Mac Pro with minimal memory and getting 8GB or 16GB of matched FB-DIMMs that meet Apple’s specs and use Apple approved heat sinks from ..
MaxUpgrades makes max_flow, a kit to keep your Mac Pro memory running even cooler. They also have a kit called ’MaxConnect’ which enables you to use the lower optical bay to add four more internal hard drives for a total of eight.
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Rob-ART, Main Mad Scientist (aka Dr. Frankenstein)
Bet-TAY, Special Features Edtior (aka Frau Blucher)
Mac Pro BUYING ADVICE:
Radeon HD 2600 XT
or GeForce 8800 GT?Originally posted January 9th, 2008, by rob-ART morgan, mad scientist
Updated January 10th, 2008, with correction on compatibility with older Mac Pro
Updated January 10th, 2008, with more info on the Quadro’s advantage
Updated January 14th with more on the power usage of the graphics cards
and info on PCIe slot usage.’
One of the email queries most often received is, ’What graphics card should I order with my Mac Pro?’ The new ’Early 2008’ Mac Pros with ’Penryn based Xeon’ (Harpertown) processors offer three choices.
We think 99% of ’Early 2008’ Mac Pro buyers will be choosing between the Radeon HD 2600 XT and the GeForce 8800 GT. Even though we haven’t tested either yet, we have some buying advice based on the data collected by Anandtech and the specs published by Apple, nVidia, and ATI.
PRIMITIVES
Apple was kind enough to publish some of primitives. We got some of them from other sources.
Pixel Fill Rate:
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 11.8 billion/sec
GeForce 8800 GT = 33.6 billion/sec
Quadro FX 5600 = 19.2 billion/sec
Triangles Per Second
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 700 million
Geforce 8800 GT = 33.6 billion
Quadro FX 5600 = 28.0 billion
Memory Bandwidth
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 25.6 GB/sec
GeForce 8800 GT = 72.0 GB/sec
Quadro FX 5600 = 76.8 GB/sec
GAMING PERFORMANCE?
(SEE OUR ’SHOOT ’EM UP’ ARTICLE)
’BUT I’M NOT A GAMER.’
Up until recently, with the exception of high-end 3D apps like Maya, the GPU was not stressed by professional applications. Even though Photoshop CS3 is a ’graphics’ application, it does not use the GPU to render effects.
However, that is going to change. Apple has already shown with Motion and Aperture that certain graphics functions can be handed off to the GPU. For example, when we render a RAM preview with Motion, we see as much as a 100% load on the GPU (according to Hardware Monitor) and we get different render times with different graphics cards. So GPU does matter in some cases and the trend with pro apps is to use the GPU more and more.
(SEE OUR ’SHOOT ’EM UP’ ARTICLE FOR MOTION AND IMAGINATOR RESULTS.)
COUGH UP THE $200 for the GeForce 8800 GT
The gains to be had by the GeForce 8800 GT is well worth the $200 premium you’ll pay at the time of ordering your Mac Pro. Considering how much you pay for a new Mac Pro, the extra $200 for the optional GPU is trivial.
Note, however, if you order your Mac Pro with the GeForce 8800 GT (or Quadro FX 5600), it will take longer to ship. If you order it with the Radeon 2600 XT, it will take ’3 to 5 days.’ (Since we plan to test both, we ordered our Mac Pro 3.2GHz with the stock Radeon and made a separate order for the GeForce 8800 GT kit -- MB137Z/A.)
ALERT TO OWNERS OF ’OLD’ MAC PROS! (CORRECTED)
Though the GeForce 8800 GT is available in kit form, it is *NOT* compatible with the older Mac Pro (August 2006, April 2007) as we first thought. Turns out the aftermarket GeForce 8800 GT kit is for the ’2008’ Mac Pro ONLY. The ROM only has an EFI64 driver in its ROM. It could be made compatible with the older Mac Pros by putting both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the GeForce 8800 GT’s ROM -- assuming there’s room for both. Otherwise, a special legacy version will have to be created by Apple or a third party.
If you can save it, then fine. Adobe photoshop cs5 product key. Now, click and drag the hosts file to the desktop. If you can not save the host file, simply go to the folder (C: Windows System32 drivers etc). Restore the window (the button between minimize and close). Otherwise, use the following method to register it and use the photoshop cs5 serial key.
If you still want to order the GeForce 8800 GT kit, go to the Apple Store USA and search on ’MB137Z/A’ to find it. The price is $349. If you are very unhappy about it not working on your ’old’ Mac Pro, then sign our petition asking Apple to create a version that will. We also suggest you give feedback to the Mac Pro management at Apple.
By the way, the Radeon HD 2600 XT kit will work on the older Mac Pros as well as the new one (thanks to having both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the ROM). Search on ’MB198Z/A’ when you visit Apple Store USA ($149).
FLASH: On January 19th, we tried the Radeon X1900 XT in the ’2008’ Mac Pro on a tip from a reader. It works just fine. The Radeon X1900 XT kit is still available. It works on all models of Mac Pro and goes for $399 (eek!). Search on ’MA631Z/B’ at the Apple Store USA. (One user reported that the Radeon X1900 XT did NOT work in his 2008 Mac Pro 2.8GHz. We didn’t do anything special to get it to work in our 2008 Mac Pro 3.2GHz or our friend’s 2.8GHz. However, we do recall running the firmware update on the card back in October 2007 when it was installed in our ’Apr 2007’ 8-core Mac Pro.)
WHY MOST USERS SHOULD PASS ON THE $2850 QUADRO FX 5600
We think most of you should pass on the Quadro FX 5600 option. Though it costs 14 times as much as the GeForce 8800 GT, it is not 14 times faster.
However, the Quadro FX 5600 does feature more video memory (1.5GB vs 512MB). And, according to one Maya guru, the extra memory (and superior memory management code) of the Quadro workstation cards becomes useful for frame buffering in Maya. This is especially true for redraw of multiple views of the same complex 3D model.
This has been enhanced further by Quadro FX 5600’s new integrated memory allocation which allows the card to dynamically allocate on-board RAM to whatever task is at hand rather than have specific hard wired allocations. So rather than say a maximum of 40% of total on-board RAM dedicated to the texture buffer the card can ramp up and down from 80% sharing with the immediate needs of the other buffers.
And it does have a stereo 3D port which I’ve seen used in one scientific visualization lab for demonstrations with software that generates an animation that requires special 3D glasses to view.
If you are a heavy Maya user or often view your screen with 3D glasses, the cost might be justified. Might. But I still say the cost is not justified for 99% of consumers.
ONE GeForce 8800 GT vs FOUR Radeon HD 2600 XTs? (Corrected)
Notice that Apple will only let you configure-to-order ONE of the GeForce 8800 GTs while they will let you configure-to-order up to FOUR of the Radeon HD 2600 XTs. Why?
We first thought it had to do a difference in power requirements. Our initial posting of max power usage (based on an outside source) was in error. Apple has published the maximum power usage of each ’2008’ Mac Pro card:
ATI Radeon 2600 XT = 50 watts
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT = 110 watts
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 = 175 watts
Though the difference is significant in power requirements, it’s not enough to preclude installing two GeForce 8800 GTs in a ’2008’ Mac Pro 8-core. However, you must
1) order the second one as a kit (MB137Z/A),
2) place the two GeForce 800 GTs in slots one and two, and
3) since those two cars total 220 watts, if there’s room to add an PCIe cards in slots 3 or 4, make sure they use only 80 additional watts (so as not to exceed the 300 watts limit for the PCIe bus).
For more info on the PCIe 2.0 bus of the ’2008’ Mac Pro, read Apple’s documentation on ’PCI Product-Specific Details.’
RELATED LINKS
Bare Feats’ CPU crunch tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others.
Bare Feats tests the Radeon HD 2600 XT on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus other GPUs on other Macs.
Bare Feats’ memory speed and heat tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others. (Plus 800MHz vs 667MHz FB-DIMMs in the 2008 Mac Pro.)
Bare Feats’ power usage and noise level testing on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro vs the 3.0GHz Clovertown Mac Pro.
Apple has posted some 2008 Mac Pro benchmarks.
See Apple’s technical briefing on Mac Pro memory expansion.
WHERE TO BUY A MAC PRO
When ordering products from Apple Store USA, please click THIS TEXT LINK or any Apple display ad as your ’portal’ to the online store. In so doing, you help to support Bare Feats.
(DON’T LIVE in the USA? See links for Apple online stores in other countries.)
NEED 667MHz or 800MHz memory for your new Mac Pro? Apple charges and arm and a leg. We suggested ordering it with minimal memory and getting 8GB or 16GB of matched modules from ..
MaxUpgrades makes max_flow, a kit to keep your Mac Pro memory running even cooler. They also sell memory for the Mac Pro.
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Apple Mac Pro Nvidia 8800 GT 512MB PCI-E Video Card GT 120 8800 2600 2006-2012. Shipping $42.32. 2nd Gen Mac Pro nVidia GeForce 8800 GT 512MB. NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (part number 630-9492), offered as an upgrade kit. The NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT card requires Mac OS X 10.5.2 or later with the Leopard Graphics Update 1.0 or the computer may not start up properly.
*Details about Apple Mac Pro Nvidia 8800GT 512MB 64Bit EFI for the 3.1, 4.1, 5.1 Graphics Card.
*The award-winning NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT features 112 high-powered processing cores and supports dual 30-inch Apple Cinema HD displays. Compatible with any Intel-based Mac Pro, the GeForce 8800 GT includes NVIDIA’s video processing technology which offloads H.264 decode enabling silky smooth playback of high-definition video.Nvidia Geforce 8800 Gt For Mac Pro
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Rob-ART, Main Mad Scientist (aka Dr. Frankenstein)
Bet-TAY, Special Features Edtior (aka Frau Blucher)
SHOOTOUT: GeForce 8800 GT
versus three other GPUS
for the ’2008’ Mac ProOriginally posted February 14th, 2008, by rob-ART morgan, mad scientist
Updated March 3rd, 2008, with Quadro FX 5600 results
We now have our GeForce 8800 GT kit in the lab along with a Quadro FX 5600 loaned to use by AppleMacanix. So here’s the 3D Game ’Shoot ’em up’ for all the cards compatible with the ’early 2008’ Mac Pro 3.2GHz 8-core monster.
BLIZZARD WORLD OF WARCRAFT
Working with a WoW programmer, we devised a test that stresses the GPU and produces repeatable results. We placed our warrior in the Firetree realm. He started at the totem pole at the entrance to Village Narache, ran East to the two large trees on a nearby hill, turned around, and returned to the totem pole. By using an addon called ’Titan Performance,’ we were able to capture average frame rate for the running sequence. (Test was run in Full Screen mode and best settings.)
MACSOFT UNREAL TOURNAMENT 2004 FLYBY
We used the SantaDuck Toolkit to benchmark with UT2004. Though a Botmatch simulates actual game play, it is very CPU intensive. However, the Flyby benchmark is primarily GPU -- especiallly at max settings and high resolution. We used the Inferno map.
ASPYR PREY
It ’represents’ for the games based on the Doom 3 engine. We use a demo file in our benchmarking that we downloaded from Overclockers in Australia. High Quality was selected (including 8X anisotropy).
MACSOFT HALO
We ran the newest UB version. We set everything to the highest quality except lens flare. FSAA was set to OFF.
ASPYR QUAKE 4
We had trouble getting version 1.42 to run its nettimedemo so we tested version 1.3 instead using ’id_demo001.’ We had the MP mode turned on along with Dynamic Shadows.
ASPYR DOOM 3
Holding the Command key down at launch allows you to set the resolution to various sizes not available inside Doom 3’s interactive settings. We had Dynamic Shadows enabled.
LEGEND of GRAPHS
FX 5600 = nVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 (1536MB of GDDR2 - Apple CTO)
G8800 GT = nVIDIA GeForce GT (512MB of GDDR3 - Apple CTO)
R1900 XT = ATI Radeon X1900 XT (512MB of GDDR3 - Apple CTO 2006 Mac Pro)
R2600 XT = ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT (256MB of GDDR3 - Standard card for ’early 2008’ Mac Pro
In the case of each 3D accelerated game, we ran at High or Highest Quality settings at 1920x1200. All Macs were running Leopard 10.5.1 with the Leopard Graphics Update 1.0 installed.
CONCLUSION
As a 3D accelerated GPU, the GeForce 8800 GT looks like a great addition to the ’early 2008’ Mac Pro. It’s significantly faster than the two Radeon options and at $200 CTO, it’s a no-brainer.
The advantage should also apply to pro 3D apps that use 3D OpenGL code for animation.
However, it’s a different story with ’pro apps’ that use Core Image effects. For that info, we refer you to our expanded page with Motion 3 and iMaginator test results.
PROBLEMS WITH DVI-2 PORT
Two of my ’remote mad scientists’ reported either slowness or errors when they used the DVI-2 port on the GeForce 8800 GT. Hopefully this and the Core Image performance will be addressed with a future driver or firmware update.
LEGACY 8800?
As you probably know by now, a collective groan was uttered by many of the 2006/2007 Mac Pro owners when they learned that the GeForce 8800 GT kit for the 2008 Mac Pro was NOT compatible with the older Mac Pros. As of April 15th, 2008, Apple started shipping the ’legacy’ version of the GeForce 8800 GT in a kit form for 2006/2007 Mac Pro owners. When you visit the Apple Store USA, click on ’Displays’ in the left column and look for the Geforce 8800 GT labeled ’1st Generation.’ Let me remind you that our testing has shown this to be a strong 3D OpenGL gaming card but a weak Pro App card (Motion, Aperture, FCP). We believe a Mac OS X compatible Radeon HD 3870 would perform better for Pro Apps. We are urging ATI/AMD to release such a card and will alert you if and when that happens.
MAKING THE RADEON X1900 XT WORK
Some reports have come in that the Radeon X1900 XT does not work on their ’2008’ Mac Pro. We have had no problems running it in our 2008 Mac Pro 3.2GHz. We asked ATI about this issue. They suggest performing the firmware update on the Radeon X1900 XT while it is installed in a 2006 or 2007 Mac Pro. Then moving it to the 2008 Mac Pro.
NOTE: We can NOT get the Radeon X1900 XT to boot Vista 64 from our Boot Camp partition. We are forced to use the Radeon HD 2600 XT (or GeForce 8800 GT) for that purpose.
THE ELEPHANT IN THE CORNER
We are not ignoring the Quadro FX 5600 (which is not available in kit form -- and we could not afford if it was). It is a pricey ($2850) CTO option that is not significantly faster than the GeForce 8800 GT for 90% of graphics intensive applications.
However, the Quadro FX 5600 does feature more video memory than the GeForce 8800 GT (1.5GB vs 512MB). And, according to one Maya guru, the extra memory (and superior memory management code) of the Quadro workstation cards becomes useful for frame buffering in apps like Maya. This is especially true for redraw of multiple views of the same complex 3D model.
This has been enhanced further by Quadro FX 5600’s new integrated memory allocation which allows the card to dynamically allocate on-board RAM to whatever task is at hand rather than have specific hard wired allocations. So rather than say a maximum of 40% of total on-board RAM dedicated to the texture buffer the card can ramp up and down from 80% sharing with the immediate needs of the other buffers.
As of February 29th, we have a Quadro FX 5600 in the lab, thanks to our friends at AppleMacanix. Just for fun, we will test it using our 3D Game suite and add it to the graphs above on March 3rd.
SPECIAL THANKS TO REMOTE MAD SCIENTISTS who provided us with early GeForce 8800 GT results. The numbers above now reflect our own testing.
Thanks toEric W. for his UT2004, Halo, Quake 4, and Doom 3 results.
Thanks to David McNett for his Prey and Motion results.
Thanks to Chris Rhoads of SarahRhoadsPhoto.com for his World of Warcraft results.
RELATED LINKS
Bare Feats’ reveals a weakness in the GeForce 8800 GT with the results from 15 Motion 3 template RAM Previews.
Bare Feats’ CPU crunch tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others.
Bare Feats’ advice on which Mac Pro graphics card to buy.
Bare Feats’ memory speed and heat tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro.
Bare Feats’ power usage and noise level testing on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro vs the 3.0GHz Clovertown Mac Pro.
WHERE TO BUY A MAC PRO
When ordering products from Apple Store USA, please click THIS TEXT LINK or any Apple display ad as your ’portal’ to the online store. In so doing, you help to support Bare Feats.
(DON’T LIVE in the USA? See links for Apple online stores in other countries.)
Also check with Small Dog Electronics and Power Max. (Power Max takes trade-ins.)
WHERE TO BUY GRAPHICS CARD UPGRADE KITS
You can order the GeForce 8800 GT kit from the Apple Store USA -- search on ’MB137Z/A’ to find it. The price is $349. If you are very unhappy about it not working on your 2006/2007 Mac Pro, then sign our petition asking Apple to create a version that will. We also suggest you give feedback to the Mac Pro management at Apple.
The Radeon HD 2600 XT kit will work on the older Mac Pros as well as the new one (thanks to having both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the ROM). Search on ’MB198Z/A’ when you visit Apple Store USA ($149).
The Radeon X1900 XT kit is still available for the 2006/2007 Mac Pro. It goes for $399 (eek!). Search on ’MA631Z/B’ at the Apple Store USA. Don’t confuse it with the RAdeon X1900 GT ’G5 Edition’ (model TL142LL/A) being sold for $349 -- unless you have a G5 tower with PCIe slots.
WHERE TO BUY MEMORY FOR YOUR MAC PRO
Apple charges and arm and a leg for CTO memory options. We suggested ordering your Mac Pro with minimal memory and getting 8GB or 16GB of matched FB-DIMMs that meet Apple’s specs and use Apple approved heat sinks from ..
MaxUpgrades makes max_flow, a kit to keep your Mac Pro memory running even cooler. They also have a kit called ’MaxConnect’ which enables you to use the lower optical bay to add four more internal hard drives for a total of eight.
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Rob-ART, Main Mad Scientist (aka Dr. Frankenstein)
Bet-TAY, Special Features Edtior (aka Frau Blucher)
Mac Pro BUYING ADVICE:
Radeon HD 2600 XT
or GeForce 8800 GT?Originally posted January 9th, 2008, by rob-ART morgan, mad scientist
Updated January 10th, 2008, with correction on compatibility with older Mac Pro
Updated January 10th, 2008, with more info on the Quadro’s advantage
Updated January 14th with more on the power usage of the graphics cards
and info on PCIe slot usage.’
One of the email queries most often received is, ’What graphics card should I order with my Mac Pro?’ The new ’Early 2008’ Mac Pros with ’Penryn based Xeon’ (Harpertown) processors offer three choices.
We think 99% of ’Early 2008’ Mac Pro buyers will be choosing between the Radeon HD 2600 XT and the GeForce 8800 GT. Even though we haven’t tested either yet, we have some buying advice based on the data collected by Anandtech and the specs published by Apple, nVidia, and ATI.
PRIMITIVES
Apple was kind enough to publish some of primitives. We got some of them from other sources.
Pixel Fill Rate:
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 11.8 billion/sec
GeForce 8800 GT = 33.6 billion/sec
Quadro FX 5600 = 19.2 billion/sec
Triangles Per Second
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 700 million
Geforce 8800 GT = 33.6 billion
Quadro FX 5600 = 28.0 billion
Memory Bandwidth
Radeon HD 2600 XT = 25.6 GB/sec
GeForce 8800 GT = 72.0 GB/sec
Quadro FX 5600 = 76.8 GB/sec
GAMING PERFORMANCE?
(SEE OUR ’SHOOT ’EM UP’ ARTICLE)
’BUT I’M NOT A GAMER.’
Up until recently, with the exception of high-end 3D apps like Maya, the GPU was not stressed by professional applications. Even though Photoshop CS3 is a ’graphics’ application, it does not use the GPU to render effects.
However, that is going to change. Apple has already shown with Motion and Aperture that certain graphics functions can be handed off to the GPU. For example, when we render a RAM preview with Motion, we see as much as a 100% load on the GPU (according to Hardware Monitor) and we get different render times with different graphics cards. So GPU does matter in some cases and the trend with pro apps is to use the GPU more and more.
(SEE OUR ’SHOOT ’EM UP’ ARTICLE FOR MOTION AND IMAGINATOR RESULTS.)
COUGH UP THE $200 for the GeForce 8800 GT
The gains to be had by the GeForce 8800 GT is well worth the $200 premium you’ll pay at the time of ordering your Mac Pro. Considering how much you pay for a new Mac Pro, the extra $200 for the optional GPU is trivial.
Note, however, if you order your Mac Pro with the GeForce 8800 GT (or Quadro FX 5600), it will take longer to ship. If you order it with the Radeon 2600 XT, it will take ’3 to 5 days.’ (Since we plan to test both, we ordered our Mac Pro 3.2GHz with the stock Radeon and made a separate order for the GeForce 8800 GT kit -- MB137Z/A.)
ALERT TO OWNERS OF ’OLD’ MAC PROS! (CORRECTED)
Though the GeForce 8800 GT is available in kit form, it is *NOT* compatible with the older Mac Pro (August 2006, April 2007) as we first thought. Turns out the aftermarket GeForce 8800 GT kit is for the ’2008’ Mac Pro ONLY. The ROM only has an EFI64 driver in its ROM. It could be made compatible with the older Mac Pros by putting both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the GeForce 8800 GT’s ROM -- assuming there’s room for both. Otherwise, a special legacy version will have to be created by Apple or a third party.
If you can save it, then fine. Adobe photoshop cs5 product key. Now, click and drag the hosts file to the desktop. If you can not save the host file, simply go to the folder (C: Windows System32 drivers etc). Restore the window (the button between minimize and close). Otherwise, use the following method to register it and use the photoshop cs5 serial key.
If you still want to order the GeForce 8800 GT kit, go to the Apple Store USA and search on ’MB137Z/A’ to find it. The price is $349. If you are very unhappy about it not working on your ’old’ Mac Pro, then sign our petition asking Apple to create a version that will. We also suggest you give feedback to the Mac Pro management at Apple.
By the way, the Radeon HD 2600 XT kit will work on the older Mac Pros as well as the new one (thanks to having both a 32-bit and 64-bit EFI driver in the ROM). Search on ’MB198Z/A’ when you visit Apple Store USA ($149).
FLASH: On January 19th, we tried the Radeon X1900 XT in the ’2008’ Mac Pro on a tip from a reader. It works just fine. The Radeon X1900 XT kit is still available. It works on all models of Mac Pro and goes for $399 (eek!). Search on ’MA631Z/B’ at the Apple Store USA. (One user reported that the Radeon X1900 XT did NOT work in his 2008 Mac Pro 2.8GHz. We didn’t do anything special to get it to work in our 2008 Mac Pro 3.2GHz or our friend’s 2.8GHz. However, we do recall running the firmware update on the card back in October 2007 when it was installed in our ’Apr 2007’ 8-core Mac Pro.)
WHY MOST USERS SHOULD PASS ON THE $2850 QUADRO FX 5600
We think most of you should pass on the Quadro FX 5600 option. Though it costs 14 times as much as the GeForce 8800 GT, it is not 14 times faster.
However, the Quadro FX 5600 does feature more video memory (1.5GB vs 512MB). And, according to one Maya guru, the extra memory (and superior memory management code) of the Quadro workstation cards becomes useful for frame buffering in Maya. This is especially true for redraw of multiple views of the same complex 3D model.
This has been enhanced further by Quadro FX 5600’s new integrated memory allocation which allows the card to dynamically allocate on-board RAM to whatever task is at hand rather than have specific hard wired allocations. So rather than say a maximum of 40% of total on-board RAM dedicated to the texture buffer the card can ramp up and down from 80% sharing with the immediate needs of the other buffers.
And it does have a stereo 3D port which I’ve seen used in one scientific visualization lab for demonstrations with software that generates an animation that requires special 3D glasses to view.
If you are a heavy Maya user or often view your screen with 3D glasses, the cost might be justified. Might. But I still say the cost is not justified for 99% of consumers.
ONE GeForce 8800 GT vs FOUR Radeon HD 2600 XTs? (Corrected)
Notice that Apple will only let you configure-to-order ONE of the GeForce 8800 GTs while they will let you configure-to-order up to FOUR of the Radeon HD 2600 XTs. Why?
We first thought it had to do a difference in power requirements. Our initial posting of max power usage (based on an outside source) was in error. Apple has published the maximum power usage of each ’2008’ Mac Pro card:
ATI Radeon 2600 XT = 50 watts
NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT = 110 watts
NVIDIA Quadro FX 5600 = 175 watts
Though the difference is significant in power requirements, it’s not enough to preclude installing two GeForce 8800 GTs in a ’2008’ Mac Pro 8-core. However, you must
1) order the second one as a kit (MB137Z/A),
2) place the two GeForce 800 GTs in slots one and two, and
3) since those two cars total 220 watts, if there’s room to add an PCIe cards in slots 3 or 4, make sure they use only 80 additional watts (so as not to exceed the 300 watts limit for the PCIe bus).
For more info on the PCIe 2.0 bus of the ’2008’ Mac Pro, read Apple’s documentation on ’PCI Product-Specific Details.’
RELATED LINKS
Bare Feats’ CPU crunch tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others.
Bare Feats tests the Radeon HD 2600 XT on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus other GPUs on other Macs.
Bare Feats’ memory speed and heat tests on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro versus others. (Plus 800MHz vs 667MHz FB-DIMMs in the 2008 Mac Pro.)
Bare Feats’ power usage and noise level testing on the 3.2GHz Harpertown Mac Pro vs the 3.0GHz Clovertown Mac Pro.
Apple has posted some 2008 Mac Pro benchmarks.
See Apple’s technical briefing on Mac Pro memory expansion.
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